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Monday, January 25, 2010

Body armor.

Most body armor I have seen advertised will only stop handguns and possibly shotgun pellets.Is there any body armor that will stop center fire rifle rounds.What will vietnam era flak vest stop? anyone with real world experience,please share.

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  1. YES, there are levels of protection that stop rifle rounds but, it will require the purchase of rifle plates (level IV A) or level 4a, b or c. Here is a link of a place who sells body armor to civilians if you have a proper need for it . If you look around this site, you will find an explanation of the different levels of protection and what they are used for .

    http://bulletproofme.com/sb.shtm

    SEMPER FI

    III

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  2. That link is no good , here is a good link ;

    http://www.bulletproofme.com/Body_Armor_Information_Menu.shtml

    ( ^ ballistic info and levels of protection info)

    www.bulletproofme.com

    (main ^ page)

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  3. Thanks man didn't have time to do research.I thought I had seen where ak shot at some new armor didn't penetrate.

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  4. That armor is called "DRAGON SKIN" or something like that . Civilians will never be able to gain access to that type of armor as it is for sale to MILITARY & LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY. It will stop an AK-47 round as well as whatever is coming out of the DRAGUNOV sniper rifle , I believe that is 7.62x54 R , don't quote me on that though , I have been wrong before.

    What you and I can obtain is included in the links that 3% has provided BUT, you will need a reasonable excuse for needing the armor before they will sell it to you. I told them I needed it to provide security for a rancher in New Mexico close to the U.S./ MEXICO border and it was sold to me .

    It is expensive but, how much is your life worth ? Second note here is , even with trauma/sapi plates, if you are hit with a .30 cal round , it most likely will not penetrate BUT, it will leave you wishing you were dead .

    It will break bones and deliver shock trauma to the area hit, to the extent that you will need pain meds and medical attention soon . If you are hit in the sternum area , you may die anyways if it breaks the sternum and punctures your heart or lungs . In many cases , that type of shock to the internal organs kills you whether the plate stopped the round or not.

    How about, BE VERY CAREFUL and stay out of harms way or AVOID ANY COMBAT unless absolutely necessary and you are forced into it . I cannot stress this enough, a firefight is the last place on earth you want to find yourself, stay away from trouble whenever possible.

    R3volution
    C4L

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  5. Dude you read my mind,that was next question.Trauma some of these rounds are crankin out couple thousand pounds of energy.Good info Thanks to both of you.

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  6. Look, I hate to seem like an all out doomer but, this situation has gone critical in my opinion. I have purchased CELOX and SAM splints as well as some new sutures and needles.

    I added a massive amount of pain killers and antibiotics as well as antibiotic ointments and latex/vinyl gloves . This may get nasty and a doc may be very far from reach .

    Please do not make the mistake of forgetting your comprehensive medical kit. 1st aid kits are great but, you are gonna need more then that I fear . Maybe something to address here soon China ? I have always wondered what preps people have made for their medical needs .

    R3volution
    C4L

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  7. Yeah,I have thought about it to my exwife is kinda our medic nurse.I picked up suture kit 3 sizes from nitro pak last year.antibiotics as available,real pain killers are kinda hard to figure out get caught without script PTB ##ck your life if I had some they would be hidden away.We have expanded kit but possibly weakest area of preps yet one of most important.

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  8. Here are some links for you to look into . One is for CELOX, which clots blood even from an arterial bleed and SAM splints for treating breaks, strains and sprains.

    These two items I consider a MUST HAVE for any comprehensive medical kit . If you don't have time to sew someone up due to fighting or other issues , CELOX the wound and treat it later.

    If you sprain an ankle or wrist, break a bone , SAM splint for the best first aid treatment to stabilize the injured area .

    http://www.celoxmedical.com/

    http://www.sammedical.com/sam_splint.html

    Just more reading and research for ya there China :-)

    I know you don't have enough to do with work and 3 blogs HAHAHA ........ Take care of yourself my brother, Talk at ya tomorrow , my back is killin me today ........ Might go see the doc tomorrow .

    P.S. Yes , the grizzly .50 cal is an animal! Nothing like 1,500 meter hits in a 12 inch square. THAT'S A KILL ! I'll be gettin tooled up from RCBS , the stuff is on the way! I can reload for about $1.89 a round.

    SEMPER FI

    III

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  9. OOOoooHoo love my research thanks man.Yeah Bro get healthy.

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  10. Ok China, 3% wanted me to let you know that he is going to be gone for awhile . He had some IRS issues and they came to collect his vehicle for auction (as far as I know). 3% is 6 feet 195 lbs and people don't look at him as they would a guy 6'5" and 250 lbs(me).

    They take him lightly and try to impose their will upon him ,it happens a lot . 3% shoved the IRS agent and his partner pepper sprayed 3% . 3% took to both of them as his face swelled up and was arrested for aggravated assault on a federal officer times 2 .

    1 IRS agent will be recovering for quite some time and the other will probably be able to lick his wounds and go back to fucking over the American people soon . I got him a lawyer who will see him tomorrow , I'll keep you posted .

    I can't help but laugh my ass off as it was a sight to be seen. I am going to do everything I can to help my buddy but , if this isn't thrown out of court , he will lose his right to own firearms.

    Like I said , I'll keep you posted . He said to send you a SEMPER FI and he'll be back soon as possible .

    R3volution
    C4L

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  11. MOTHER FUCKERS,Yeah I knew THREEPER was stand up dude first time I talked to him.FUCKIN BULLSHIT.TELL HIM to hang tough.Dude if this dont get dropped let me know, maybe we can start a defense fund.never done it before but 1st time for everything.

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  12. Oh yeah tell my buddy SEMPER FI.You know during my research I found out IRS is not a legal federal agency like they act,they only have have power over fed employees.If they dont drop it that may be his defense,Damn where did I see that court case,ok back to research I will find it.

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  13. R3V heres one where govt admits not legal.

    http://www.jusbelli.com/diver_justice_response.pdf

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  14. I still haven't found orginal document it was by attornet who won case.here is an article about that case.Unless you live in D.C. or a territory,guam,puerto rico,etc or work for Govt IRS has no power to do anything.If it's not dopped best defense my be that they are not federal agents so there is no assult on fdearl agents,will be hard to prove but true!

    http://www.amerocurrency.com/USvsUSA.pdf

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  15. Hey China, THANK YOU BROTHER ! I got his vehicle back this morning early . He drives a 1962 UNIMOG Swiss transport vehicle . It took him 4 years to get it in shape and he spent several thousands of $$$ doing it .

    I put a financial hold on the auction and was able to recover it for him for a $5,000.00 deposit. Depending on how the case turns out, I may get my money back but, it is worth the money to see him grin when I told him I got it back for him .

    It seems that one of the agents who is a levy recovery agent for the IRS , is NOT pressing charges , the other one is . The agent stated that he understood why 3% shoved him and it was way out of line for his partner to pepper spray 3% as it had not escalated until that happened .

    It's a good thing I was watching or he wouldn't have any witnesses .I was going to intervene when 3% waved me off, so I went in the house to get a pen and paper to write down details of the event .It seems that the asshole tazed 3% on top of the OC spray and that is probably why that agent is alive .

    The atty. I got for his case is an former Navy attorney so, he is going to play the court with 3%'s P.T.S.D. and try for a misdemeanor and some anger management classes .
    3% is a good friend and although this is costing me a bundle , I know it is well worth the price . Thanks for the consideration China , I have the finances handled right now . We are going to try to get him out on bail today if we are lucky.

    His arraignment is going on right now so, we'll see what happens and I'll let you know what's up later today .

    I guess you CAN push a man too far , take his job and livelihood , persecute him for bullshit taxes and try to steal his personal property in the name of "TAXES OWED" . Fuck these dickwads , I swear , if anything incites a revolution , it'll be this type of thing .

    Anyways , I got his firearms and made out the proper transfer of ownership receipt . I will keep them safe until he gets done with this BS . Anyways, I'll catch up with you in awhile China .

    R3volution
    C4L

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  16. Right on man,he is lucky to have have bro like you too!I hope it goes well.Glad you two got each others back's.

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  17. Ok, looks like 3% will not be getting out today but, I can post bail for him tomorrow morning @ 9am . Guess where I will be at 9am tomorrow haha . I am bringing him a pack of marlboro's and we're heading straight to the "range" so he can blow something up .

    I am even picking him up in his "MOG" as he calls it . So, until further notice , 3% will be free with bail stipulations . I am certain he'll fill you in later tomorrow . Talk to you later China , hope work went well for ya !

    R3volution

    III (I am giving up on the campaign for liberty and signing in as a fellow threeper now)

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  18. Yeah I'm bettin he will be ready to work off some Frustrations,damn good idea.Take lots of Ammo.OK Bro keep me posted.

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  20. I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed your site and this post.Most body armor I have seen advertised will only stop handguns and possibly shotgun pellets.Is there any body armor that will stop center fire rifle rounds. You make some very informative points.Keep up the great work!

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